tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post3758363336881597508..comments2023-06-01T22:34:43.769+10:00Comments on A feminist open to criticism: ChivalryA socialist open to criticismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14619402773454709868noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-73695632713697130472011-06-04T04:20:55.004+10:002011-06-04T04:20:55.004+10:00So feminists aren't "ladies"?
NiceSo feminists aren't "ladies"?<br /><br />NiceA socialist open to criticismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619402773454709868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-58334210913883639052011-06-02T03:59:51.379+10:002011-06-02T03:59:51.379+10:00I agree with treating feminists with the same comm...I agree with treating feminists with the same common courtesy I would normally offer men, which is pretty basic. However, I do go the extra mile for most women (as most don't ID as feminists) in extending kindness and courtesy, which almost all seem to enjoy and appreciate. <br /><br />This arrangement works out fine for me and for those I come in contact with: feminists get the equality they want and the ladies get the chivalry they prefer.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13928193043008650438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-1136343797413652352011-05-27T20:04:48.354+10:002011-05-27T20:04:48.354+10:00Chris
I am more firm in my viewpoints then previo...Chris<br /><br />I am more firm in my viewpoints then previously. I pretty much think this "chivalry" thing is bullshit.<br /><br />Men putting coats on puddles so women could walk over it is the stuff of movies and fairy tales.<br /><br />Stopping to open a door for someone. Well that isn't chivalry, that is being a social person...<br /><br />Chivalry aint dead, it just never existedA socialist open to criticismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619402773454709868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-89380478956626391862011-05-25T05:50:25.142+10:002011-05-25T05:50:25.142+10:00I appreciate when women openly identify as feminis...I appreciate when women openly identify as feminists although I can usually figure it out. I know to offer no chivalry, which means I offer them the same level of courtesy and deference I would offer to a man. It either insults them or is an act of discrimination which they wouldn't or shouldn't want.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13928193043008650438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-16858041821463310542010-08-01T07:47:12.516+10:002010-08-01T07:47:12.516+10:00@marriedfem, I definitely agree with you. I see ch...@marriedfem, I definitely agree with you. I see chivalry now for the most part as a good deed. For example if I burst the tyre on my car, a guy helping me change it would be considered chivalrous, however I think it is a nice thing to do as my physical strength is not up to the challenge. Just as when older ladies get on the bus, I stand up and let them have my seat. It is just a nice thing to do, I don't expect old people to then owe me a debt. That is absurd.A socialist open to criticismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619402773454709868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-54679532756008039482010-07-31T15:03:26.265+10:002010-07-31T15:03:26.265+10:00When I think of chivalry I think of men expecting ...When I think of chivalry I think of men expecting something in return..sad but true. I don't trust men who are chivalrous for fear of them expecting something from me, I'd much rather do it myself, and give myself a hearty pat on the back. However, I'm not against good deeds as to me a deed is paid back in like as opposed to paid back in what the giving party deems suitable. In other words I feel as though chivalry (at least today) is a debt that women can never pay back, women can not be considered chivalrous as it's traditionally a man's role, so what is equal to chivalry? What is a woman's role? submissiveness perhaps? No thank you, I'd rather just dole out the good deeds, and be happy that I may have made someone else's day easier.Kristinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04911989413476714329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-29315023446876869232010-06-18T07:24:14.890+10:002010-06-18T07:24:14.890+10:00@Fidelbogen:
I wouldn't mind discussing these...@Fidelbogen:<br /><br />I wouldn't mind discussing these issues with you, but your responses come across as somewhat arrogant and condescending. It causes me to step cautiously into a conversation as I'm not interested in a fight or being talked down to.<br /><br />That being said, you raised some points here I'm interested in hearing more about. Death of chivalry, death of the social contract, and this:<br /><i>When you are dealing with non-feminists (or in this case, the MRA subset thereof), you must bear in mind that you are dealing with a sovereign power.</i><br /><br />What does that mean? For chivalry and social contract, I'm interested in understanding what both of those mean to you and when/what led to their deaths. Don't just say "feminism" as I imagine there is more to your point of view than that.<br /><br />Your ball.Social Workernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-89683310364826127812010-06-17T05:25:54.218+10:002010-06-17T05:25:54.218+10:00oh and about this statement
"Do whatever mak...oh and about this statement<br /><br />"Do whatever makes your relationship work, and feminist philosophy be d-mned."<br /><br />I feel as if what I outlined above fits into feminist philosophy.A socialist open to criticismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619402773454709868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-39825710921297109072010-06-17T03:40:10.131+10:002010-06-17T03:40:10.131+10:00@slwerner
I finally got around to reading that ar...@slwerner<br /><br />I finally got around to reading that article. It didn't really have any new information in it. Was there anything in particular in that article you wished to discuss?A socialist open to criticismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619402773454709868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-13113796026764228832010-06-17T03:19:11.280+10:002010-06-17T03:19:11.280+10:00"Because I am not telling you what you want t..."Because I am not telling you what you want to hear."<br /><br />Well more because you are not telling me anything, you are just repeating yourself and in some cases me. That comment itself has been repeated many times in my blog, I am bored of it, say something else.<br /><br />"Repeat after me: Feminism is not the world... Feminism is not the world...Feminism is not the world..." "<br /><br />No it certainly isn't, and it isn't even all of me. There are many parts of my personality and identity that don't make it to this blog, but that is because this is a blog primarily about feminism. If you don't wish to talk about it please don't comment on my blog, and if you do then please think about whether your comments actually have something to offer.A socialist open to criticismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619402773454709868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-24460590167927970232010-06-16T10:51:46.511+10:002010-06-16T10:51:46.511+10:00****MRA tend to accuse women of demanding chivalry...<i>****MRA tend to accuse women of demanding chivalry from men without having earned it*****.</i><br /><br />Compared to THIS:<br /><br /><i>"Cutting-edge consensus among vanguard MRAs is, that feminism itself is simply another demand for chivalry, albeit hypocritically masked beneath an array of rhetorical ploys."</i><br /><br />The two passages are superficially linked, but they are communicating separate ideas. Furthermore, my version is more cutting-edge.<br /><br />And finally, your glib, secondhand summation of something I'd not seen, was so slight and briefly stated as to court invisibility. Your own words do not stand out as saliently in the eyes of others as they do in <i>your</i> eyes.<br /><br /><i>"Sorry, but your contributions to my blog of late have been quite useless."</i><br /><br />Because I am not telling you what you want to hear. You are running a typical feminist show; we MRAs are well acquainted with your kind. What the hell, this feels almost like "Feministing"!<br /><br />You are quite clearly uninterested in learning about The Other Side.<br /><br />And I do mean OTHER. (That would be the existentialist "Other".)<br /><br />Here's a helpful hint. When you are dealing with non-feminists (or in this case, the MRA subset thereof), you must bear in mind that you are dealing with a <i>sovereign power.</i><br /><br />Let that sink in. <br /><br />Repeat after me: <i>Feminism is not the world... Feminism is not the world...Feminism is not the world..."</i>Fidelbogenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11727779008823649682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-18442386356493146082010-06-16T08:06:55.444+10:002010-06-16T08:06:55.444+10:00"I have examined that paragraph closely, and ..."I have examined that paragraph closely, and I cannot see that you made any such reference.<br /><br />"I was recently pointed in the direction of an article that brought up the issue that ****MRA tend to accuse women of demanding chivalry from men without having earned it*****. (article is linked in previous blog entry)."<br /><br />"Think as you wish. Thought is free. I know mine is."<br /><br />Sorry, but your contributions to my blog of late have been quite useless.A socialist open to criticismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619402773454709868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-89000445503405253232010-06-16T07:47:18.740+10:002010-06-16T07:47:18.740+10:00"Yes, I mentioned that claim in my first para...<i>"Yes, I mentioned that claim in my first paragraph, did you have something to add?"</i><br /><br />I have examined that paragraph closely, and I cannot see that you made any such reference.<br /><br />Anyway, in the learning process, review and reiteration are proven methods. And more: since you have made known that you wish to <i>learn,</i> I thought you would enjoy knowing what the cutting edge MRAs are saying.<br /><br /><i>"I think it was more to take men off theirs"</i><br /><br />Think as you wish. Thought is free. I know mine is.Fidelbogenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11727779008823649682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-53246017314720685292010-06-16T06:42:48.339+10:002010-06-16T06:42:48.339+10:00"Cutting-edge consensus among vanguard MRAs i..."Cutting-edge consensus among vanguard MRAs is, that feminism itself is simply another demand for chivalry, albeit hypocritically masked beneath an array of rhetorical ploys."<br /><br />Yes, I mentioned that claim in my first paragraph, did you have something to add?<br /><br />"The aim of feminism is, and always has been, to put women on a pedestal."<br /><br />I think it was more to take men off theirsA socialist open to criticismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619402773454709868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-18973615949872201242010-06-16T06:30:10.843+10:002010-06-16T06:30:10.843+10:00More on the subject of "chivalry".
Cutt...More on the subject of "chivalry".<br /><br />Cutting-edge consensus among vanguard MRAs is, that feminism itself is simply another <i>demand for chivalry,</i> albeit hypocritically masked beneath an array of rhetorical ploys.<br /><br />The feminist endeavor is to "have your cake, and eat it too" - and to recruit the larger female population into this project as far as possible. <br /><br />The current political "state of the art", so to speak, has been called Chivalry 2.0.<br /><br />The aim of feminism is, and always has been, to put women on a pedestal.Fidelbogenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11727779008823649682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-21466964192789717052010-06-16T04:42:07.372+10:002010-06-16T04:42:07.372+10:00Do whatever makes your relationship work, and femi...Do whatever makes your relationship work, and feminist philosophy be d-mned.<br /><br />MRAs have a saying, that "chivalry is dead".<br /><br />This does NOT mean that individuals as individuals don't sometimes practice behaviors that might be classified as 'chivalrous'. <br /><br />What it DOES mean, is that chivalry <i>as a cultural framework</i> is no longer legitimate or worthy of respect. It is "dead" in the sense that it has no moral sovereignty or moral authority. (People <i>as individuals</i> are free to dispute that, of course, but they are speaking only for themselves.)<br /><br />The death of chivalry goes in step with the death of the social contract - for which feminism is likewise largely responsible. Such is the objectively historical bearing of matters.<br /><br />Thus, your relationship with any male person you meet is on an <i>ad hoc</i> basis. Feminist constructs and mental formulations don't even enter into it at all - <i>unless the other person subscribes to a feminist cultural narrative,</i> and agrees to incorpoate certain axioms into an ad hoc social contract which you conclude between yourselves.<br /><br />The death of the social contract on any but an ad hoc basis is, of course, fraught with concerning implications that are likely to become more evident as time goes on.Fidelbogenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11727779008823649682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-65724334110717393782010-06-16T01:18:40.083+10:002010-06-16T01:18:40.083+10:00Cuuuuuuuuuuute! I wanna hug a koala with their 3-...Cuuuuuuuuuuute! I wanna hug a koala with their 3-inch razor sharp claws.Social Workernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-38126800276674614902010-06-10T12:42:24.302+10:002010-06-10T12:42:24.302+10:00Sure, all they do is sleep anyway.
And grunt very...Sure, all they do is sleep anyway.<br /><br />And grunt very loudly when mating.<br /><br />Then sleep some moreA socialist open to criticismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619402773454709868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-34240318691491467462010-06-10T12:25:11.440+10:002010-06-10T12:25:11.440+10:00Soooo, i can has a Koala?Soooo, i can has a Koala?Social Workernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-27278826354068829272010-06-10T12:11:50.818+10:002010-06-10T12:11:50.818+10:00They are quite a pest yes, I think increasingly as...They are quite a pest yes, I think increasingly as we find ourselves sharing land with them (golf courses and such) as we are spreading civilisation on to the lands they need. Therefore we end up culling alot of them. (seriously don't get me started).<br /><br />Sorry mate, all the roos are mine!A socialist open to criticismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619402773454709868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-55331057789582312042010-06-10T12:00:43.158+10:002010-06-10T12:00:43.158+10:00Joking aside, I wrote my piece on chivalry on the ...Joking aside, I wrote my piece on chivalry on the original "Advertising" blog, so won't repeat it here.Social Workernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-74761201661237706682010-06-10T11:59:02.120+10:002010-06-10T11:59:02.120+10:00I want to raise an even more controversial topic t...I want to raise an even more controversial topic than what's been discussed so far.<br /><br />Are 'roos really as pesky as I've heard and, if so, how do you include them in your philosophy of caring for animals?<br />I want a 'roo (and a Koala) for a pet(I mean animal companion), so if you have extras, you can send them to me.<br />;)Social Workernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-66045267439045401342010-06-10T06:45:09.596+10:002010-06-10T06:45:09.596+10:00Seeing as how your in Australia, I though I’d add ...Seeing as how your in Australia, I though I’d add a link to the thoughts of your fellow Aussie, Mark Richardson - <a href="http://ozconservative.blogspot.com/2010/04/is-chivalry-to-blame.html" rel="nofollow">Is chivalry to blame?</a>slwernerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13293327533235793560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-1532978355051143382010-06-10T05:57:12.662+10:002010-06-10T05:57:12.662+10:00No, men can afford military service if they want.No, men can afford military service if they want.A socialist open to criticismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14619402773454709868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-694927555991963163.post-30014015681572991852010-06-10T05:50:51.797+10:002010-06-10T05:50:51.797+10:00And that is great! I have often said that Australi...And that is great! I have often said that Australia, England and India are turning into the foreground of the masculist movement.<br /><br />I don't know much about Australian military policy, so I have a question:<br />In the US, men are required to sign up for Selective Service, which can then lead to being drafted.<br />Is there any such program in Australia?<br /><br />If not, good for you!<br /><br />But, back to chivalry, I will say that it has greatly disappeared, but it still persists in some ways and I find it summarizes many of the gender problems faced in the West in general.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com